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Re: about nazism and my past

PostPosted by datorissten » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:37 pm

Paul Vogel wrote:Anyone that actually is White that advocates for White survival and advancement is labeled as "Neo-Nazi" totally regardless of whether or not they actually advocate for National Socialism and of which most do not know what it really is anyway. Anyone with a handle name like Adolf would be considered a "Nazi" regardless due to history of it.

The people and all of the other races actually do need a state to protect them from all of the other state
actors that can and do act against them. For an example, look at the Kurds or the Palestinians and others
today that are without their own state. They are so abused and used and destroyed by other state actors.
Any People can self select for eugenics and without a state but a state that sponsors it and supports it is
just more effective.

I think you need to understand the issues with nazism in any case, if someone calls you nazi simply reply you are not a socialist. Actually i have not decided between elite rule and anarchy, the issue with pure anarchy is to have a working judicial system and a functional military against other state actors. I am considering a form of minarchism where the state is just a military(to conquer) and judiciary(settles disputes). All states is terror states to some degree, USA is among the worst but the losers is mostly non-whites in other countries so it might not be that bad.

If you look at medieval Iceland they did not need to worry about invasion, a stateless society would require a private military, a militia would simply not be good enough for most countries. Actually the Palestinians have somewhat of a state/states but it does not help since their military sucks. Israel won against other arab militaries much due to the fact that their military was much more decentralized.

Also unless you have a very strong military(like the one US have) it does not really protect you anyway, it may even make you less safe since other countries will see you as a threat, there is no shortage of countries with strong militaries that has been crushed by the US and other countries.
The USA is not moving towards "Nazism" at all most especially not under Hillary and nor even Trump.
Don't buy into the false propaganda put out by the mass media and leftists both in the USA and abroad.
However, you are correct that both move us away from freedom and into the thrall of the usual suspects,
both financially and politically, and geo-politically.

We are getting more and more of a military police, especially Trump are against the police being accountable, strangely with trump he do agree with libertarians on other issues such as deregulation, gun rights, tax cuts, etc. Trump is simply a populist that said what people wanted to hear to get elected. I am sure Trump him selves does not actually believe what he says when he talks about bringing manufacturing back to the US (the output in the US has actually continued to increase after NAFTA, automation is the cause of the job loss).

I did not fully think over the post i wrote, it was a youtube comment copied over.
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different system of governance

PostPosted by datorissten » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:57 pm

small organisation
First we need 5 board members and at least 20 ordinary members, that will be the initial condition. Each year the each board member will select one member that needs to get confirmed by existing members(requires at least 50% support). My idea is to allow the members to give the board(or separate boards) more power but starting with a board that has very limited power(possibly even less than suggested).

Changing how the organization is ruled
5: 50%
4: 60%
3: 70%
2: 75%
1: 78%
0: 80%

Big organisation
15: 50%
14: 55%
13: 59%
12: 63%
11: 65%
10: 67%
9: 69%
8: 71%
7: 72%
6: 73%
5: 74%
4: 75%
3: 76%
2: 77%
1: 78%
0: 79%

Board member supporting the change: support among voting members required.

Risks with elite rule
-the elite may end up as corrupt.
-it may be oppressive for people not belonging to the elite.
-it may develop into a democracy or something close to democracy

The biggest issue with hard elite rule(<0.1% having the power) is that the selection criteria cannot be objective, it will instead be based on personal preferences, people getting picked due to nepotism and loyalty instead of competence, this is an issue with all organization and it is hard to avoid.

Soft elite rule (objective selection criteria) gives better accountability at the expense of a non-ideal selection process, selecting purely based on iq is not ideal, scoring high on an iq-test is easy compared to making money trading or other activities that requires very good decision making.

The idea behind elite rule is to accept that people do mistake(vote wrong) and simply compensate for that by sharing the power with many individuals, this requires the majority to make Independent decisions.

I have still not come up with a system i am satisfied with topic7.html maybe it is simply impossible to make it work long term and then we will have to look at anarcho capitalism instead. The system in medieval Iceland(close to anarchism) lasted in 290 years while the experiment in the US resulted in civil war and the constitution was of course not followed.

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A working elite rule will actually be close to anarcho capitalism such as one entity controlling the money supply(could be some form of cryptocurrency), different entities being controlled by different organizations/individuals selecting their own members.

My suggestions for governing an organisation can be modified to suit different needs.

I am not a military expert but i a decentralized modern military is fully possible but it would result in a lot of people having access to weapons of mass destruction which itself is a bit dangerous but it is a price you have to pay for freedom.

We cannot allow females on a jury https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEqPVPPBof0
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Your genetic legacy

PostPosted by datorissten » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:40 pm

Sure you can spread your genes just for fun but what to you actually archive with it?

If you only have one wife your legacy will be very determined by the genes of your wife, it matters just as much as your own genes. If the goal is simply to spread your genes as much as you can a good idea is to donate to sperm banks and to have sex(no contraceptives ofc) with a lot of females, Charles Lindbergh did the latter and it was a good thing to do with his awesome genes.

If you have valuable genes it is important that your wives is of high genetic quality too, otherwise the probability of high quality offspring will still be small, the only viable long term strategy for creating a new master race is tribalism and this will come at the price with some inbreeding, with big enough population that should not be too big of an issue. Even if you are intelligent and have a lot of children with several generations your offspring will end up having worse and worse genetic makeup.

You want your children to grow up in a country where the population is of high genetic quality. Iceland and Sweden both have a lot of high quality individuals, unfortunately my country(sweden) is falling apart now and i will have to move somewhere else.

I do not like the genetic makeup of the American population(in general) but the country might be ideal for having a business or a religious community since they offer a lot of freedom.

The reason doing your best to spread your genes is a good idea is actually different, competition leads to people with weak genes being weeded out and we all benefit from that, thus is actually make sense to do what Charles Lindberg and Warren Jeffs did.
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Re: about nazism and my past

PostPosted by datorissten » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:19 pm

No problem, i like to get responses, it is very difficult to get high quality feedback.
Paul Vogel wrote:I do understand these issues of NS and that the term "Nazi" or "Neo-Nazi" usually is just used as a smear word and slander to shut-down serious discussion of any real issues and problems and their solutions. A state is necessary to protect the integrity of the folk against other state actors. That is the bottom-line. What kind of form that takes should be up to the people to decide. The Palestinians are state-less and without any real military. The Arabs lost
all of their wars mostly because their equipment was obsolete compared to Israel's of which mostly came from the USA and was more modern. Yes, the Israeli's were better organized as well. Any well-organized force defeats a mob.

If you look at history most people murdered has been killed by their own government, it is more common for governments to target their own population than to target different populations, the us government extort(tax) the US population while people in other countries does not have to pay taxes to the us government.

Sweden and many other countries has a very weak military practically useless and we would be better off with anarchy(all citizens being allowed to arm themselves instead). I am sure Saddam Hussein tried to build his military strong but they still lost against the us, did not really help. During the second world war state after state failed to protect their population against the nazi war machine, Switzerland(where every citizen was armed) was one of the few countries that did not get invaded.

Nuclear weapons has only been used twice on japan and it did not even change the terms of surrender. With nuclear weapons you need to have some form of code needed to unlock them, it can still be pretty decentralized, i am thinking of some form of cryptographic proof which requires a majority of maybe 15 individuals to approve the use(it is actually easy to implement). The defence against nuclear weapons can easily be decentralized, the population in a city coming together to pay for it, it is likely to be much better and cheaper than anything the state is providing.

Also with a private military each citizen will be allowed to have a fully automatic machine gun, already today there is only one state capable of abusing the us population and it is the state you wants to keep, the only reason they are allowed to extort the US population is because people like you want to be enslaved and rationalize your own enslavement.

I don't think that you really understand what Trump represents in the USA. He is an outsider and populist and seems to be doing what he campaigned on doing once elected, quite unlike most other politicians of either main party here.

NAFTA and GATT and other trade treaties have been terrible for the middle-class here in the USA. We must make our own things again if we are to become "Great Again". Read the autobiography of Henry Ford to see why it is a key to any healthy economy. Automation is NOT the reason the economy of the USA was ruined since 2008. Watch the documentary called "Inside Job" on youtube and you will find the real reason the USA lost a decade of real growth.

Trump have to deliver on his promises, anything else would be political suicide. A minority voted for Trump because of his populism, a lot of people disliked him but he was lucky to run against a very bad candidate, i actually think his popularity will go up with time.

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The thing is with automation you should get higher paid jobs to replace the old ones, this is what you get in a free market but us currently suffers from high taxes and insane regulations. Trumps understands that regulations is the real issue, sure doing better trade deals could help somewhat but it is not really the issue. Before the election Trump promised to cut the regulations by 75% and i am sure he will do his best do deliver on that, i actually think he will axe it even more.
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Re: about nazism and my past

PostPosted by Paul Vogel » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:12 pm

Yes, you are correct that governments have killed their own subjects and citizens in the past, and present, and the only real protection for subjects and citizens is the right to bear arms and to form local militias separate from any government control. The Swiss and Israeli's are correct to arm their citizens to protect them from both their own governments and from outside states and the USA should follow their example. Nuclear weapons should be banned.
No government should be trusted with them and these weapon do pose a dire threat to all higher life on this planet.

No one wants to be any slave to any state, including the USA. You just do not understand that about true patriots like myself. The USA government is not representative of our best interests anymore and hasn't since even before
the Civil war, when we moved from a Republic to an Empire. No Empire is stable forever as the seeds for its own demise are actually all within its own structure itself. The USA is the sole superpower in the world and its power
and its hegemony is on a global scale is a reality. Who or whom owns and controls the USA? Those that no-one is
willing to criticize without being sanctioned and marginalized and even eliminated by force if they deem that it
is necessary. Care to take a guess as to just who or whom actually controls the real levers of power in the USA?
Did you watch and or see "Inside Job" on youtube? Follow the money. That is the key. Who creates it out of thin
air? All politicians, including Trump, are in its thrall. Trump must be careful not to rock the boat too much or to
go after the "real underground" powers that be or he will end up just like JFK and for those same exact reasons.
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Re: VINTOLOGI

PostPosted by datorissten » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:30 pm

So what you advocate is the united states before the war? obviously it did lead to war so i would not classify it as a good system, medieval Iceland is much better imo. I am actually not really a libertarian 1 2 i believe in not allowing people to violate our rates but it should only be one way. If we are able to take control of the governments why not abuse the power?

Making an empire stable is impossible, you can however construct the system of governance to archive better stability than a monarchy (sharing the power between several individuals results in better stability). If you try to make the empire democratic it will be unstable since most people are lemmings and easy to influence, if you make the voting requirement very restrictive you will end up with a ruling elite that may not give a fuck about the rest of the population.

As for money cryptocurrencies are getting better, i am waiting for the bitcoin killer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.0 once these currencies are good enough we will be able to replace the fiat money our government wants us to use. Interest is not the issue either, there is plenty of cryptocurrencies that gives interest(Proof of Stake currencies), being against interest is retarded.

Fractional reserve banking itself is not the issue, the government is the problem. You can have fractional reserve banking with a cryptocurrency but not many people actually want that.

I see from what you wrote that you lacks consistency and it is pretty bad, you wrote that we needed a government to protect us from other governments and contradicted that in the last post. The only reason to have a state is that it allows defence consisting of weapons of mass destruction such as nuclear weapons, without that there is no point in actually having a state.

Also the more powerful the military is the harder it will be for the citizens to overthrow the state if it would be needed, honestly i think the second amendment is a bit overrated, just having semi-automatic guns may not be very effective when the government has fighter jets and other high tech weapons.
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Re: VINTOLOGI

PostPosted by Paul Vogel » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:00 pm

No contradiction. No inconsistency. You are the one against a state or government and are for anarchy and not me. The USA was a true republic and not an empire before the civil war and thus was more stable and it served the best interests of the people as a republic. The north conquered the south against the will of the people of the south. The people ruled or governed should decide what form their government should take.

The same for their currency and economy and banking system. None of what you mentioned is honest but it only enables theft. Did you watch Inside Job on YouTube or not? You are the one that is inconsistent and has major contradictions because your value system is as well. That is typical of hedonism and nihilism and of materialism these days of Kali Yuga.
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Re: VINTOLOGI

PostPosted by datorissten » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:08 pm

Fractional reserve banking and interest is not theft and the documentary you mentioned was garbage, do you have any idea how much regulation there is already? it only makes it difficult for local banks(actually the current regulation punishes that since the diversity is less when operating only in one area), obviously pure free market(which worked very well before we got the federal reserve) is the only viable solution.

With bitcoin, gold, etc you are not forced to deposit it to a fractional reserve bank for interest, sure you can do it but most people holding btc does not deposit it for interest and the exceptions mostly consists of people lending it out to shorters for interest. The problem has been government insurance of these deposits and the central banks which allows banks to take risks. Of course idiots will lose money when the state isn't protecting them from their own stupidity(such as the idiots buying zcash at 3300) but government regulations only make it worse.

You keep saying that the population should decide how the country should be ruled, who in the population? do you think letting all females over 18 vote is a good idea(it is a horrible idea). The EU is actually better than the US since it allows countries to leave, this is the only way to prevent the central government from becoming tyrannical. The minarchism you want is just a pipe dream, it cannot last, you have to go all the way to anarchy or accept a ruling class(that you may be a part of) that fucks everyone else hard in the ass.

Vintologi is not a nihilist religion, it does however reject artificial morality in favour of your own morality that comes from your hearth, real morality. True morality does not come from societal norms(such as sex with teens being bad) it comes direcly from your soul and will thus be something completely different from the norms of society(such as raping teens being good).

People getting nuked may not be a bad thing, it reduced the population which is actually good for the planet, the radiation should also speed up mutations which is booth good and bad(radiation is sometimes used in non-gmo breeding).
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Re: VINTOLOGI

PostPosted by Paul Vogel » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:27 pm

Obviously I do not agree and some regulations make good sense especially in the financial sector of an economy to prevent such theft on a massive scale by the usual suspects. Money based on actual worker productivity and issued directly by the government at low interest without any speculation allowed would be ideal as it was under NS Germany.

The people should decide what form their government should take based on their own best interests.
The EU is a tyranny over the nations of Europe just as the USA is over the states here. GB has not left it yet has it but has only voted yes to do so. Do you really think the tyrants of the EU will actually allow this in fact?
I never said that but said a republic and not an empire. Do you even read what I write?

It is both nihilism and hedonism and materialism and even sadism all in one and also it is immoral.
You advocate rape which is degenerate and perverse and sadistic. What you advocate is only what a sociopath would falsely delude himself into thinking is moral when it actually is quite the opposite.
The same is true for your thinking that nuclear weapons being used for population reduction is a good thing.
Genocide and using nuclear weapons are never good things except to a sick sociopath or malignant narcissist and mass murderer. You were correct. I do not like your religion. It is only for diseased minds.
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Re: VINTOLOGI

PostPosted by datorissten » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:50 am

Sorry i was busy playing far cry 2 sniping might be even more fun IRL, i really need to get a license for that shit.
Paul Vogel wrote:Obviously I do not agree and some regulations make good sense especially in the financial sector of an economy to prevent such theft on a massive scale by the usual suspects. Money based on actual worker productivity and issued directly by the government at low interest without any speculation allowed would be ideal as it was under NS Germany.

You want your ass wiped by the government, truly pathetic.
I never said that but said a republic and not an empire. Do you even read what I write?

The concept of a republic does not work, it has never worked in the past and it will never work in the future. USSR also had a constitution giving the people 'rights'.

You are just a pussy afraid of death and destruction, there is no hope for you at all. You want to be controlled and enslaved and you fail to understand the true nature of the government(the form does not matter, it is always oppression).

You do not even understand cosmotheism, obviously according to cosmotheism rape and genocide is often good. In the turner diaries there is both genocide and nuclear war for a reason, pierce did not have the balls to also advocate rape and polygamy but he was a bit of a pussy in that area.

Vintologi is not a religion for beta-males like you, this is how real men view females: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8U0IaMsRf4 please explain why rape is immoral according to cosmotheism(it isn't).

http://bornwithacunt.blogspot.se/

Nihilism is the logical conclusion from the premise "when you die your consciousness ends forever". You claimed in your last post before i banned you that "reincarnation is nonsense" so obviously you either believe in hedonism and nihilism or you are a fucking moron, if you register again use a different name so you do not embarres yourself again. I did not ban your IP.

As for hedonism if anything vintologi isn't focused ebough on having a good life, it is probably too focused on genes now. You never explained why sadism is bad, it is actually natural for heterosexual males to be sadistic and it is good for survival.
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Re: VINTOLOGI

PostPosted by datorissten » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:43 am

There is more than one form of vintologi, vintologi unlike cosmotheism can take many different forms depending on your preferences. There is no fixed absolute morality/goal in vintologi but there is consequences to your actions that you may like or dislike, not only for this life but future lives.

You can believe in racial mixing/integration and still believe in vintologi. Vintologi itself does not provide any absolute morality, you may dislike the current version of vintologi offered on this site and then you may decide see nothing wrong with having many versions of the religion.

Interestingly the parts of my "darwinian vintologi" you dislike is the ones inspired by cosmotheist morality. It seams "hedonistic vintologi" would suit you better http://vintologi.clanz.co/topic1-35.html#p69

Requiring the female to consent to a sexual activity is actually a new thing and females in general does not seam to like that, in the past females were just property belonging to the father initially and later transferred to a new man. Females still have it a lot easier in a hard patriarchy than males, they might not be able to choice but they do not have to compete either and if the male pays a large sum of money for his wives he will not kill them or anything like that.

Females have a tendency to reject males of their own race in favous for other males they find more attractive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBK5o7V6Nw0 this is especially true for japase femames that reject their unattractive males in favour of caucasians despite the fact that whites males habe lower avarage iq. The only reason white females does not racemix more than they do is becuase white males are at the top of the sexual marketplace among males, it is mostly unattractive white females that mix with other races.
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Nothing is cheaper than PoW

PostPosted by datorissten » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:54 pm

iamnotback on bitcointalk linked an awesome article

http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/pow-cheapest/

This is helpful if you like me are more interested in cryptocurrencies than females(rape slaves would be interesting though). I think i will buy a few coins in order to sell them later to a greater fool, backfires sometimes but i make 30 cents/hour mining etherium and there is no good coin to buy anyway(fiat sucks too).

Wealth Isn’t Unequal Enough
What about the fact that DPoS votes with wealth instead of per capita? The improvement is insufficient: while wealth does distribute non-uniform (instead: lognormal or power law) a project aspiring to “world wide ledger” status will eventually have a very high quantity of people in each wealth-class; so many that casting an informed vote will still be (for each individual) a waste of time.

Voter apathy reliably strikes the more optimistic scenario of modern corporate governance. There, each share gets a vote, and disinterested parties can sell and abandon their need to vote altogether (impossible in DPoS). The ability of shareholders to elect the board of directors makes almost no difference; most shareholders don’t care enough to vote, and certainly not enough to learn-or-do-anything-about obviously corrupt phenomena such as executive pay, poison pills, empire building, golden parachutes, etc.

DPoS, like all voting, is not capitalistic. Capitalism is not about “one dollar, one vote”, it is instead “one dollar risked, one vote”. Capitalism requires the potential for gain as well as the risk of loss. With voting, gains for “good votes” are public, and equally and widely dispersed (no potential for private gain), and voting is free (no private risk of loss).
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Men going their own way

PostPosted by datorissten » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:08 am

After doing some reasearching i habe decided to support the concept of MGTOW, which means that you do not commit to any female, you can still habe sex and children 1 2

So what about the children? i was raised mostly by a single mother, sure it is bad what whatever, i survived. It is better to have 17 kids with several females(like charles lindberg) than to have a few kid in a monogamous relationship if you have good genes.
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version 5 of the vintologi bible and new site

PostPosted by datorissten » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:44 pm

I decided to continue with my writings on http://vintologi.clanz.co/ the current site is old now and i do not like it's domain name.

Version 5 of the bible is now being completed www.docdroid.net/ydewPkV
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more about NA

PostPosted by datorissten » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:50 am

This thing with NA is a good example why decentralized resistance is vastly superiof to centralized resistance.

http://www.louisbeam.com/leaderless.htm

I like pierce as an individual but i do not agree with his cosmotheism or his statist views, i have personally moved away from his ideology but if you do want to promote the ideas pierce had obviously local groups and internet activity is much more efficient than trying to bring back the NA.

I am not impressed by Narrg either, they have not really earchoved anything of value yet but i like their secularism, both cosmotheism and creativity is BS religions imo and i prefer organisations that does not promote such garbage.

Sorry paul from stating the truth about your religion, what you have believed in all these years are BS
-we do not need to become super humans, the goal should be to live good lives.
-evolution tend to be convergent and this is the case with eugenics too, you will reach a point where there is no longer any need for improvement(there is already individuals with gold enough genes, maybe 0.01% atm).
-colonizing other planes can be archives with GE maybe(traditional breeding is very limited).
-"improving the gene pool" is just an excuse for doing what you wanted to do all along, you do not need a reason to do what you want(such as raping females).

as for myself: my mental performance is a rollercouster now, am am spending they days studying cryptocurrencies, playing games(such as nes tetris) and watching anime mostly, hopefully my gaming will improve my trading performance.

Edit: i banned paul vogel due to his ad homenein attacks and the fact that he did not post anything of value, i apologize for not banning him earlier. Of course i am not correct about everything but i am much closes to the truth than the idiot i had to ban.
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White sharia

PostPosted by datorissten » Mon May 08, 2017 9:29 pm

Awesome podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KkL4ZZPWH0 helps curing your humanism, i really like their "might is right" mentality. Rape gangs and death squads sounds fun, cannot wait.

This might be the last post here, the new site is: http://vintologi.clanz.co/

Please understand the following
-vintologi.clanz.co and datorissten.clanz.co are not safe spaces for "white knight nationalists"
-do not expect me not to debunk your nonsensical religion if you promote it on my site.
-Paul Vogel white knight thinking he will be rewarded with pussy, he wont.
-females need to be raped in the marriage, they typically have a lot of bogus excuses when withholding sex. Image
the solution is rape.
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